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welcome back. continuing coverage of the developing story out of watertown. let's get to sue herrera at this breaking news desk right now on the very latest about what we know up to this point. >> maria, we know it's an extremely fluid situation with the police, obviously hoping to find that suspect sooner rather than later. i think that's an understatement. we are still awaiting the second briefing by officials, which we hope will come soon. but things are moving very, very fast as a result of that. we are translating now an interview that was done with the suspect's father. you can see him there, he's sitting in his apartment. it is done in russian, so we are having that translated right now. however, previously, when he's spoke to reuters, he called his sons angels and he said that they had been killed, referring, obviously, to the older suspect, who was, indeed, killed by police earlier. as soon as we get that translated, we will bring it to you. we did show you just a short while ago a video clip done by

the aunt. as a result of that, we found out that, basically, we had, that she had spoken to reporters and had indicated that nothing really had changed with the exception of the fact that the younger suspect had begun praying several times a day, as many as five times a day, an indication that perhaps he was becoming more devout in his religious practice of islam. so that's what we have right now. i'll turn it back to you guys. >> we should point out, right, that this is from dogastan, that's russian tv of the father, right? a region near chechnya. >> and they are translating that interview. as soon as we get that translation, we will bring it to you. andrew? >> and sue, thank you for the update. i'm actually filling in today for bill griffeth. he needed to be in boston for an event that was of course canceled earlier due to this manhunt and bill's been doing a

great job all day. bill, what's been the feel there? remember, when i talked to you earlier this morning, i guess it was 8:00 this morning, the lockdown had just occurred, but people were still out and about, you said, on the street? >> yeah, the word was just seeping out at that time, andrew. and i think as the word got out throughout the day, i can tell you that the city of boston was deserted on the streets. when my producer, justin solman and i made our way over here to watertown, we came up the surface streets and they were wide open and clear. the only vehicles you had on the streets were the law enforcement officials doing their job. so you have a community that is very much cooperating with law enforcement in this lockdown. everybody understands the importance and the need to stay out of the way and let the officials do their job, as they go literally door to door to juror, to try to find this 19-year-old suspect. so, yes, this has been a day like no other. i can guarantee you, in the city

metropolitan area around boston. >> and the thinking, bill, in terms of going door to door, the thinking is, perhaps someone is hiding them in their homes? it's quite fascinating that the police are going door to door in all of these homes in that region. >> the thinking, maria, is that this 19-year-old may be holding somebody hostage in their home. you're not supposed to open the door to anybody unless they identify themselves clearly as a law enforcement official. so it is clear, they are still going door to door, and it is possible, they believe, that this 19-year-old chechen could be holding somebody hostage or could be on the move and trying to, you know, find a location where he feels like he could hide out for a long period of time. i mean, this is a very fluid situation. we really, realistically, are operating in a news vacuum.

the law enforcement officials have held a couple of briefings this afternoon, where, essentially, they use the media to communicate with local citizens around here, telling them to stay indoors. they told employees who went to work this morning, you know, go home. don't stay overnight in the office. get in your car and go home if you can. find a way. because the transit system is down today. taxis are working right now. so they've been using the media to get to the employees. but they have answered no questions and we are left to our own devices as we watch the ebb and flow of the humvees, the convoys, the blackhawk helicopters, the bomb squads, the ambulances that all make their way through this area, this bedroom community of watertown, massachusetts, we're trying to figure out exactly what's going on, because they're not telling us right now. >> bill griffeth in boston, with thank y thank you for that. we're going to go back to the breaking news desk, because sue herrera has an update for us.

>> yes, indeed, i do. tonight's red sox game at fenway park which was scheduled for a little bit after 7:00 p.m. tonight, with the city in complete lockdown, has now been postponed, they say, to support the efforts of law enforcement officials who, as you know, are seeking to find that second suspect. so once again, with the city in lockdown, they've postponed the game tonight, 7:00 p.m. eastern time. >> sue, thank you so much. we are joined right now by chad sweet, a former fbi director, good to have you on the program, sir. >> good to be here. >> on the phone, also with us is michael davidson, a former cia operative, specializing in the soviet union and eastern europe. chad, does it surprise you that the second suspect was able to escape and that he is on the run right now? i mean, after the extraordinary events overnight with the gunshots being fired back and forth, how did he get away? >> actually, maria, it's the

opposite. it's astonishing that they didn't further evacuate the perimeter and if they had taken advantage of the lead they had, we may have had a situation like we have with faisel shahzad and the times square bomber. you may remember, we literally caught shahzad, he was on a plane pulling away from the terminal on the tarmac at jfk airport. we had to stop that plane and bring it back. in this case, it's actually astonishing that these individuals did not attempt to flee further. and i think it underscores the possibilities that these two are not very sophisticated. this is the b-team, this is not the a-team of artiterrorists. >> so from your gut, what does your gut tell you where is he? still in watertown? do you think he was able to leave the city? >> i think, maria, one of the things that people don't realize, manhunts are hard. it took us ten years to get bin laden, it took us nine months to track down saddam hussein in a spider hole. it took us nine days to get the rogue lapd cop that just killed

folks a few weeks ago. and now, if you think about this, we're only coming up on the fourth day of this event. so people need to understand that it is very hard to do a manhunt. they're going door by door. they have to do it very safely. and there could be, again, he's clearly intent on trying to kill others. so people need to be patient. this is making progress. it's highly likely he's still within what's called the cordoned area, the perimeter. they're tightening the noose on this individual and we'll know soon. >> there's a sense, though, that the older brother was the mastermind behind this. we don't know if that's right or wrong. but clearly, this is now the younger brother. he is on his own. do you think that he has the same commitment, if you will, to this experience, as his older brother and the mastermind of this? >> well, it's been reported that the older brother posted on his social media website statements about being disenchanted with america, not having friends, not

understanding americans, and it strikes me that he, as you said, probably was an influence on his brother. he was a boxer. we know that he went abroad for an extended period right before these events. the younger brother, on the other hand, was just made a naturalized u.s. citizen. and i think where we are right now, we have to assume that both are equally motivated and both are equally armed and dangerous, but he is tired, he's been running on adrenaline, he hasn't had any sleep, he's coming up on over 48 hours with no sleep. so there will come a point where he's going to have to face a decision either to try to rest and risk getting caught, or give himself up. >> michael davidson, jump in here. you, of course, a specialist on the persistent threat to u.s. interests of putin's russia. what do you think this tells us in terms of the relationship between the u.s. and russia and what do you glean from what we know so far about the two suspects? >> well, what i can say is that

i was actually surprised that there was a chechen or a da dagistani connection to this activity. because, really, the chechen conflict, there have been two wars fought in russian over chechen, mainly because of its importance in soviet oil refining and as a transit point from oil can coming up from the basin which russia then exports to western europe. but this is really an intra-russian conflict more than anything else. so i certainly agree with everything that chad said. and it might be interesting to note that the chechen guerilla leader in 1998 publicly joined the wahabi movement.

but these acts that we've just seen in boston would appear to me to be somewhat of that ilk and i doubt very much that this has anything at all to do with the chechen/russian conflict. >> let me ask you about that michael. the older brother now dead, reportedly went back to russia for six months and there's been the suggestion that he was quote/unquote activated during that period. does that make any sense to you? >> well, it could be. just as much as he might have been activated to anwar al awlaki's website. as i said, i think you have to separate the chechen/russian conflict from what has happened here in the united states, which really, basically, has absolutely nothing to do with what the russians were fighting about. >> do i understand, mr. davidson, for a long time, actually, the americans saw the chechens as rebel freedom

fighters against the russians, that there was almost tacit support in some ways. that this would certainly change that, if there's a connection? >> well, that's absolutely contradict. as a matter of fact, the first chechen war, i think from 1994 to 1996 was conspicuo spispicuo brutality and lack of profession professionalism of the russian soldiers who were sent in to put down the rebellion. the second war, i think, it began in 1999, and lasted for -- well, until 2000 when chechen -- >> but, michael, isn't that harder to believe, because it wasn't as if these gentleman said, free chechnya and then sent off the bomb. they made no political statements. it doesn't appear that they had a political goal, and martyrdom isn't likely one either, because the younger one is on the run. >> i certainly agree with that.

if you want to look at examples of violence, you have to look no further than the chechen movement. that's when all of those apartment build bombings occurred in russia that ended up killing 293 people and injuring over 600 people. so they're certainly adept at causing mayhem and bloodshed. but i still insist that what these two terrorists did in the united states is unrelated to the russian/chechen conflict. i think we have to separate those two. >> michael davidson and chad sweet, thank you for your analysis. we appreciate it very much. in the meantime, amid all of this, it's been a volatile day for stocks, with some big movers in the dow and our josh lipton has more on that. josh? >> hey, andrew, three big tech stocks t s on the move today. ibm, deep in the red.

third quarter missed analysts projections. at least five brokerages cut their price target. that stock right now down some 8%. two other names to mention. microsoft, which after the bell yesterday told us that profits jumped 18.5% in the third quarter. revenue clocking in at $18.8 billion, driven by sales of the bing search engine and the xbox business. and cfo peter klein to leave at the end of fiscal 2013. a new cfo to be named in the next few weeks. finally, have a look at google also rising, saying its core internet business increased net revenue by 23% in the next quarter. at least six brokerages raised their price target on that stock. andrew, back to you. >> thank you for that that. coming up next, the latest developments from boston. and we have former new york mayor rudy giuliani. he'll react to today's manhunt. we're back right after this.

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welcome back. we'll get back to the latest on the manhunt in boston in a moment. let's get to courtney reagan. >> thanks, maria. the g-20 has agreed that japan's massive monetary easing is needed to boost growth. the group of finance ministers issued a statement, agreeing with tokyo's policy, but said

the country must be mindful of unintended negative side effects from extended periods of monetary easing. and fitch has stripped the united kingdom of its aaa rating, downgrading them to aa plus. the downgrade reflects a weaker economic and fiscal outlook. moody's had downgraded the uk in february. anheuser-busch kbef has reached a deal with antitrust regulators allowing it to proceed with its $20.1 billion deal to buy 50% of the group of mow dello it doesn't already own. constellation brands will pay $5 billion to buy kbef's stake in imports. and sea woworld posting a stron debut. the private equity banked company priced at the top of its expected range last night at $27 a share. we'll bring you more headlines in the next hour. but for you, maria, back to you. >> all right, courtney, thank

you very much. we have breaking news. want to get back to sue herrera with that. over to you, sue. >> maria, thank you very much. we told you last half hour that reuters had shot an interview with the father of the two suspects. it was in russian, it was obtained by reuters television. we've translated it in house here at cnbc and let's take a listen to what he said. >> translator: i'm afraid for my son's life. let them arrest him, but make sure they bring him back alive. alive, alive. let the legal teams decide who is wrong and who is right. >> in a previous interview, reuters, a print improve, the father also said that his two sons were angels and that he basically implicated the fact that he thought they had been framed. as we continue to translate more of that interview, maria, we will bring it to you. another late-breaking development. in west new york, new jersey, the sister of the two suspects,

her home was searched by authorities just a short while ago. no word on what, if anything, they found. we're efforting that part of the story for you as well. so you're you want to date right now, maria. >> former new york city mayor giuliani has been lending unique expertise and insight to cnbc all day during these stunning events. he joins us right now once again. mr. mayor, thanks very much for your insights. what do you make of hearing from the suspects' father and this idea that the police, fbi leading this, are going door to door in watertown, checking for the second suspect. >> well, the father's statement contradicts the uncle's statement. i mean, far different description. the uncle described them as losers, as young men who had a very hard time integrating and assimilating in the united states. the father has described them as angels, and apparently is accusing the police of somehow railroading them.

so maybe it's just a father who's completely out of control. what the police are doing is absolutely what they have to do. i mean, they've got a young man on the loose who's very, very dangerous. they don't know where they're going to confront him, where they're going to find him. any place they find him, it could be a massive shoot-out. and you don't want civilians on the street when that takes place. >> i know a manhunt is very difficult, mayor, but how did this guy get away? i mean, overnight, the developments were stunning, with the gunfight, and suspect number one being killed, but what's your gut in terms of how he escaped? >> well, i don't know. i mean, obviously, it took place in the middle of the night and in the dark, and a gunfight in the middle of the night in the dark is an inherently confusing situation, whether the military is conducting or the police or the fbi. so i don't know how he got away, but it suggests to me that both of these young men had some training. these are not just completely amateurs at what they're doing.

>> mr. mayor, this is bill griffe griffeth. i'm standing here in watertown, and i've been here all day, and i'm very curious. i'm glad you're on, because you might have some insights into this. you know, we are standing here watching the impressive display soft later that has been evidenced today throughout this region around boston. you've got state troopers, you've got national guard, you've got over military personnel, you've got the national police, you've got con voice of humvees, you've got blackhawk helicopters, all of this for a single manhunt. but my thought is, we're watching now what has been prepared for by the u.s. government since 9/11 for how to answer any terrorism that would occur on our soil again. is that what we're witnessing here in watertown today? >> that's a very good point. i don't think you would have seen that ten years ago. meaning, i don't think law enforcement really knew how to do it quite this way 10, 12 years ago. after september 11th, there's been a tremendous amount of

training, a tremendous amount of work has been done on how to respond to this, how to do it safely. this also gives you an idea of the tremendous respect we have in america for human life. this is all being done, because we don't want to see an incident person actually shot and ill canned in a situation where you go up against this young man. and also, they're doing the best they can to try to take this man alive. not for the reasons the father suggests, i would imagine, but because they want to question him. they want to find out, is there anybody else involved? are there any other incidents that we have to worry about that? how did this all come about? if they kill him, that's going to be a very cloudy subject. >> mr. mayor, you know, as the day has progressed, the perimeter of this investigation appears to keep getting extended. we've talked about trains being stopped, for example. is your sense that the suspect is still in the bottom area or do you think it's even possible that they could have gotten out? >> obviously, they don't know, right, andrew?

if they have spread the perimeter of it, then, obviously, they think he's beyond it. at the same time, they haven't given up searching within the perimeter, so what that says to me is they don't know. they don't know if he's gotten out. and there's also the possibility we're looking for two people and not just one, right? >> right. and amtrak has stopped service between new york and boston. so, clearly, they are in lockdown mode all the way to new york on this hunt. >> i can tell you, guys, watching the body language of the law enforcement officials here in this area, they don't have a suspect yet. they're still on an active mo manhunt right now. the police chief came a couple of hours ago during the last news briefing and said they're getting new leads all the time and their still asking people to remain in their homes because they're going door to door. all of that suggests they are still in the process of an active manhunt with a million leads that they're all trying to pursue at the same time.

>> and the younger brother at large, dzhokar tsarnaev, mr. mayor, what's your sense in terms of those working with him? we have been talking about the possibility of accomplices. what do you think? could this have been undertaken just these two individuals, or would your gut say there are others involved? >> i doubt it's just the two of them. i don't expect it's a big organization. i don't expect that this is, you know, some kind of gigantic organization we're dealing with, but i do think it's more than two people. it seems to me they had an awful lot available to them when they were captured. he's involved in something now where it seems to me he's probably getting some kind of help. i think you would have to go on the premise that there's a small organization supporting them. and it would be better to go on that premise than to assume that there isn't. >> if that's right, there has to be then a series of parallel

investigations that are going on. obviously, there's a lot of people being brought to bear. you've now dealt with a number of terrorist investigations. how many parallel investigations can you actually have at one time? >> you can have as many as your hunch is and your hypothesis take you. also, that's another good point, andrew. i think part of the reason this is spreading is, there may be a sense that there's more than just one person that they're looking for. maybe they're looking for another person, maybe one or two others. >> but if that's the case, why would they still be in boston, then, if this is more than just two people, they must have been had a plan to connect somewhere else, right? >> really, one of the things strange about this, there are both amateur parts to this and professional parts to this. one of the amateur parts to this is, they stay so close to these sights, right? they remained a mile away, they remained a mile away from where they carried out, you know, this horrible attack. that was a -- >> and that i have been engaging in social media during this

whole time. >> that was kind of a dumb thing to do, if you donate want to get caught. >> right, right. mr. mayor, good to talk to you, appreciate for your insights. we appreciate your talk here as the developments occur. >> we've got much more continuing coverage this afternoon. >> coming up, we'll talk with the former employer of the man being sought by authorities. back in a moment. rent kiosk, you can rent a car without a reservation... and without a line. now that's a fast car.

the manhunt continues for the second boston bomber. our bill griffeth and scott cohn have, in boston all day.

let's get to them rate now and get the very latest on all of this. bill? >> well, you know, we're in the area here, in a staging area. scott is in the area where they have really been doing the active investigation throughout the day. i'll be interested to hear what he has to say. but we have been in an area here, where i said before with rudy giuliani, we have watched this impressive display of law enforcement all day. i mean, this is sort of -- i equated this as a cross between a natural disaster and a war zone with the -- and i've covered g-8 conferences, you know, where world leaders all come together in the same place and trust me, the security that's on display there doesn't even compare with what we're seeing here in the town of watertown, massachusetts. i mean, you are seeing a tremendous coordination between local, state, and federal officials today and it has been very impressive. we are waiting for yet another news briefing at some point to give us some more details,

because so far, we have essentially been in a news blackout today as this manhunt continues. we can get it from secondary sources, but from the primary law enforcement officials, they have been mum and they've asked for patience in that whole thing. scott cohn, i'd be interested to see -- i mean, you've been in an area today where there has been a lot of tantalizing clues about what they're looking for, right? >> well, yeah. i tell you, standing here covering it as a reporter is kind of like the blind man and the elephant. you look at what they're doing and start to put it together. as far as i can tell, they do this sort of by sectors. they'll have aerial reconnaissance, they'll have vehicles and officers on the ground, some of them very heavily armed and ormo moarmoret seems as if they go from place to place. and most recently, they were not too far from us. and at one point, probably 15, 20 minutes ago, a long line of uniformed officers, each led by

an officer with a long gun said, stay where you are, don't follow us. and they go in single file around the neighborhood. we've seen troops as well as police officers literally go door to door and we've tweeted some of those pictures out today, and you've seen some of the video as well. they literally go door to door. most people, very cooperative about all of this. and the other thing that wave seen quite a bit of is vehicles being taken out of here, in particular, probably about an hour, hour and a half ago, a black ford pickup truck is taken out of here on a flatbed truck. so make of all of that what you will. >> help me with one piece of this. is there any feeling that the trail has gone cold? the reason i ask, there were moments this morning and throughout the day that it really felt, even for the images and pictures that you were bringing us that there was a sense that the suspect was in watertown and they were close, they were about to go in on them.

and then, of course, there's nothing. >> well, i wouldn't say that there's nothing. we all, certainly, were ready for that wit, particularly aftee events overnight, but at the same time, i suppose if the suspect is smart and if he probably and if he's here, he's not making himself very visible. it doesn't mean that the trail has gone cold. you certain can't get around, you can't get around this city or around this region without being spotted. so, no, i wouldn't say that there's any indication that the trail has gone cold. >> scott, we'll keep coming back to you -- >> one other thing. the ebb and flow we've seen today of activity around law enforcement officials speak to those leads that this terrify getting literally minute by minute throughout the day. the tips that are coming in from the public after they first showed those photographs last night. i think that shows that they are going wherever they find something or hear about something. but in the meantime, it's very laborious activity to go door to

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welcome back. let's get a check on where we stand with the boston bombing manhunt. sue herrera breaks it down. what do we need to know right now, sue? >> some interesting developments, andrew. first of all, we told you a little bit earlier that the red sox game and the bruins game had been canceled for tonight for obvious reasons. they want to help law enforcement officials. the city is on lockdown. they don't want people out on the street. they have tentatively rescheduled the bruins' game for tomorrow afternoon. that, of course, is all dependent upon whether this is resolved this evening or perhaps early tomorrow morning. now, we told you a bit earlier that the reuters news operation within the to russia and they did shoot a video of the father. we're going to show you that in

just a moment. and it's interesting, because now we're going to show you an interview that the uncle of the tsarnaev brothers did earlier today. this is his take on the situation. >> of course we're ashamed! yes, we're ashamed! they're children of my brother. who had little influence of them, honestly, as much as i know, who had little influence of them. so i just wanted my family be away from them. that's it. [ inaudible questions ] again, the only, i say what i think was behind it, being losers! not being able to settle themselves. and thereby just hating everyone who did. >> and now take a listen to the interview shot by reuters in russia of the suspects' father. a very different take, as you might imagine. >> translator: somebody clearly

framed them. i don't know who exactly framed them, but they did. they framed them. and they were so cowardly that they shot the boy dead. there are policemen like that. >> obviously, a very interesting and very diverse set of opinions amongst the family themselves. the aunt weighed in earlier as well. and maria and andrew, as we continue to translate that video into english here in-house, it was shot by reuters, obviously, in russian, we're translating more and more of that interview. we will bring it to you when we get that. >> thank you for that, sue. the manhunt continues. joining me now, marc ginsberg, a former ambassador to morocco. he was raised in the middle east and is an expert on islamic issues, chechen, and terrorism. and also, phillip mod and a former intelligence adviser to the fbi. let me start here. in russia, right now, what is going on? meaning, are u.s. officials having conversations, is there an investigation going on to try

to understand what happened during the six months that the older brother was there? >> absolutely. anytime that we have evidence that an unassimilated american has gone back to an area where there has been islamic extremism, and let's understand, there is a terrorist organization known as the emirates of the caucuses, which is an islamic extremist organization declared by the united states as an extremist organization, that stretches its tentacles all across the carrier from chechnya to afghanistan and has ties to al qaeda and the taliban. there's no way of knowing the plausibility of what happened here, but we've seen this happen -- we've seen this movie once before. where young, unassimilated brits, young, unassimilated americans get radicalized by going back to areas where instead of visiting grandma, they're visiting terrorist training camps. . we don't know if that's what happened here, but we know that's what the cia and the russian government are looking into. >> that's a great point. and phillip mod, let me turn

that point to you. these boys were raised in america. what can you tell us in terms of the network that they may or may not be associated with and where those networks are? should we be thinking that this is broader than just dzhokar tsarnaev and his brother? >> regardless of what we think, we have to pursue that angle. you can't bet on what you think in an environment like this. you've got to understand that if there is a network, we can't pretend that there's not. so when you're looking at these two kids, to me, everything that they did suggests that they're amateurs. where they placed the weapon, the fact that they didn't o obscure themselves when they walked down the street, the primitive nature of the explosives. but we've been focused on these two spiders, most media is not talking about the search for the spider web. did they get training, did they get weapons, did they get travel? >> neither of these suspects are on a watch list or were on a

watch list. the older brother goes to russia, comes back, starts posting videos online about islam, about terrorism. did we miss this? was there something where we should have actually been able to know? >> posting videos is a free speech issue, and if were still in the fbi, we would be very cautious about looking at something like that. because you're allowed to be a radical in this country. this country is based on radicalism. but when you're in the intelligence business, you need a vulnerability. they've got to make a mistake in communications, talk to the wrong person, download the wrong e-mail from an imam overseas. these are two brothers who by definition are not going to show many vulnerabilities. >> and ambassador, what is your gut here? it is extraordinary to me that the younger brother was able to escape. mayor giuliani also, you know, earlier said to us, look, this was a gunfight in the dark, in the middle of the night. but what is your gut in terms of where this goes next and where

dzhokar tsarnaev might be now? >> well, i can't really answer that question, but my instinct tells me that we've seen how these young americans who have not assimilated or somehow become radicalized, whether it's the times square bomber or the portland christmas tree bomber, who seemed fine until they got themselves islamized. whether by physical or by going viral. but let's remember, it was probably the older brother who convinced the younger brother to join him in this terrible, terrible escapade against us. the question, ultimately is, what happened here? and i think the british have a key for us here. the brits have had to deal with unassimilated brits who have gone back to pakistan and then come back to commit these type of attacks. the subway attacks in london are evidence of this type of

behavior. that's where i'd be going. i would be asking the brits, what do they know about this type of conduct? >> and this weekend is the marathon in london, by the way. we should point out that the faa has instituted a no-fly zone over watertown, massachusetts. amtrak has been suspended from new york to boston. to law enforcements across the country right now are focusing on this and stopping everything, putting it in lockdown mode. ambassador, thank you very much, phil mod, thank you very much. >> we have got the latest on the boston manhunt continuing throughout thebroadcast. >> we will speak with former u.s. marshal, who spent years chasing down fugitives. stay with us as our special live coverage continues. it's as simple as this.

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welcome back. i want to get more perspective on today's manhunt in boston. we're joined right now by bob lis cowski, former assistant at homeland security. >> also with us is former fbi special agent, howard copus, he's now with copus private consultants, a private investigative firm. >> gentleman, thank you for joining us. mr. liscowski, let me kick this off with you. what can you tell us in terms of the explosives used, what we

know about those pressure cookers and what that may lead to in terms of what's behind this and where this suspect might be. >> so, maria, the explosives that we've been talking about over the past week, you know, relatively unsophisticated in terms of the composition. obviously, very, you know, lethal, still. what does it mean to us, overall, is the fact that we're always concerned about lone actors, criminals, whomever, getting access to this type of material to be able to conduct these types of explosives. they're widely available. i think what you're asking for is could others kind of take on the same attack mode and obviously, that's one of the things we're worried about. >> harold, tell me this. you have a lot of experience with interrogation. what do you have to do to take this 19-year-old alive? we all want him to be alive, for many reasons, most of which i think is to understand how this happened.

>> well you want him alive -- you want him alive, but i won't tell you. he's a rat scurrying, and that makes him dangerous. >> if you're running this investigation and talking to all the officers on the ground, what do you do, to the extent that you can, to try to take him alive. >> you have to say, come on. if we surround him, we've got to negotiate. we'll bring in the negotiators and we'll do everything we can to take this guy down, safe, but we're not getting hurt. we're going home tonight, he doesn't if he wants to act up. >> what do you make of the fact that now the faa has issued a no-fly zone above watertown, massachusetts. amtrak train service between boston and new york suspended indefinitely. they're trying to really ring fence one part of the region, but we don't know if he's

already left. >> well, you dona't know, but lt me tell you, the reason you don't have the aerial shots, is that if he's watching television, which he probably is, you don't want him to know where law enforcement is located. now, he's already stolen one car, he may try another one, but certainly the easiest thing he can do is get on the amtrak or get on the subway system up there. he just has to make sure he's not able to do that. >> robert, let me ask you a different question. it's a homeland question and we've been talking about it all hour. it's whether we miss this, whether there were clues about things that both of these brothers may have done in their history, whether it's on the internet because of their travels. were there clues that we should have iie ipicked up on? >> i think the investigation will bear that question up. we'll always laook for ways tha we could have picked up on their activities that may have led us to believe that it was going to lead to this, but we're never

going to see it all. and that's the trouble. we critically need intelligence to be able to help us prevail in prevention activities, but these folks are just below the radar screen and you may never see them. >> in terms of what happens next and where this goes, what kind of changes might we expect, given what we know and how they have built these bombs, the approach that they've taken. what kind of changes would you expect, harold or robert? >> i'll tell you from my standpoint, i don't see them making -- we still live in america, so we have a lot of freedom. you're not going to outlaw pressure cookers, you're not going to outlaw bbs or guns or nails or even gun powder. but what you can do, if you see somebody buying that stuff or if they're talking about it or their website says something on the social media, you take some interest in that and you certainly, if you get somebody that comes up and you're in a

parade or an event and he lays down a bag, no. that's not right. you've got to back away from that quickly, and let's get somebody in here to take care of it. >> harold, thank you. robert, thank you. we appreciate your analysis and perspective this afternoon. as maria was mentioning earlier, we should note, train service between boston and new york has now been suspended indefinitely, while at least one suspect remains at large. >> we're going to head to new york's penn station when we come right back and give you the lay of the land right there. stay with us. our live, continuing coverage of the developments out of boston continue. every step of the process, making it easier to try filters and strategies... to get a list of equity options... evaluate them with our p&l calculator... and execute faster with our more intuitive trade ticket. i'm greg stevens and i helped create fidelity's options platform. it's one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you open an account.

welcome back. authorities have suspended all amtrak service between new york and boston. brian shactman is now at penn station in new york city with the story. brian? >> yeah, maria, what's making life very difficult is all major bus companies have pretty much done the same, and talking to the port authority, people inside penn station, if you want to get to boston or northern new england, you can rent a car or fly into logan airport. we know right now flying into boston is no easy task and trying to rent a car is even more difficult at this hour. we've talked to a lot of people who have been trying to get out of town. one teacher from new hampshire trying to get a group of 17 back and we also talked to a young

gentleman who's just trying to go to boston to see a friend. take a listen. >> right now we're looking into renting cars and we may have to wait a couple hours for that to happen because of the emergency. everybody's renting whatever they can get to get out of town. that's what we're going to try to do. >> this is the farthest north that they could let us, you can wait until 5:00, 6:00 tonight or just cancel. so i'm going to take new jersey transit back home and try again tomorrow, i guess. >> we now know that's probably not going to happen, 5:00, 6:00. but security wise, guys, there's always a new york city pd presence and a national guard presence. it's increased today and i saw a lot of new york state police down there. they're being very careful, but the general tenor is calm, but a little frustrated by some travelers. back to you. >> brian, thank you very much. you know, it's interesting that all of these services are being stopped, whether it is the train or also the fly zone. still much more to come on this developing story coming out of

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